In this 130th episode of the Gutenberg Changelog podcast, Birgit Pauli-Haack is joined by Tammie Lister to discuss the latest developments in WordPress, Gutenberg, and the broader ecosystem. The conversation opens with Tammie sharing insights from her new role at Convesio, where she works on product collaboration within hosting and payments.
The episode highlights Tammie’s upcoming WordCamp Europe talk, focusing on the concept of “human in the loop” with AI. She emphasizes the importance of integrating humanity into AI processes, ensuring that humans are involved throughout, not just at the beginning or end. Both speakers reflect on how AI empowers learning and creativity, with Tammy sharing personal stories about using AI for education and art.
A significant portion is devoted to the anticipated release of WordPress 7.0, which was delayed to accommodate more thorough testing for real-time collaboration features, especially in less powerful hosting environments. Birgit Pauli-Haack and Tammie commend the community for developing a comprehensive testing suite and discuss the challenges and importance of performance, infrastructure, and backward compatibility.
Other highlights include community plugin updates, especially around AI, collaborative editing with Claude by Gary Pendergast, and the growing list of AI providers and skills for WordPress. The duo reviews notable Gutenberg plugin updates (22.9 and 23.0), exploring enhancements such as improvements to the UI component packages, block library features, command palette, and upcoming media editing tools.
The episode wraps up with excitement about continued innovation, the empowerment AI brings to different skill levels, and the ongoing evolution of WordPress as a robust content management and collaboration platform.
- Editor: Sandy Reed
- Logo: Mark Uraine
- Production: Birgit Pauli-Haack
Show Notes
Tammie Lister
- WordPress | X (former Twitter) | BlueSky
- Website tammielister.com/
- WordCamp Europe Human in the loop means something
WordPress 7.0
- WordPress 7.0 Release Party Updated Schedule
- distributed-rtc-performance-testing
- Roster of design tools per block (WordPress 7.0 edition)
Community Contributions
- Building a block theme from scratch – Workshop resources
- Claudaborative Editing 0.4: Twice the fun!
- AI Across The WP Ecosystem
Gutenberg Releases
- What’s new in Gutenberg 22.9? (8 April)
- What’s new in Gutenberg 23.0? (22 April)
- Media Editor experiment: add experimental image editor and cropper
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Transcript
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